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Fandom Tennis Match Meme:
Okay, here's how this is going to work. You comment with a fandom question. I answer it and then ask you a question that has some thematic relevance to the question you asked me.
ever_neutral.Fandom Tennis Match Meme:
Okay, here's how this is going to work. You comment with a fandom question. I answer it and then ask you a question that has some thematic relevance to the question you asked me.
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Date: 2011-10-18 09:27 pm (UTC)If you suddenly became the master of TVD and the writers were your puppets, what would be your ideal ending/direction for Damon/Elena?
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Date: 2011-10-18 09:58 pm (UTC)Damon/Elena is not a romantic story for me. Obviously they are attracted to each other, but it's more complicated than that. I'd like them to get under each other's skin and form a sort of understanding; a friendship, perhaps? The sort of relationship that appears when you've seen everything that's worst about someone, and vice versa. Sexual relationship? Yes, please, but as a part of "seeing the worst about each other", or perhaps looking for comfort (on a much later stage), not as a fluffy happy end game. Love? Not really... I can see a logical way in which they could genuinly fall in love with each other, but I'm not sure if it is what would really happen.
Generally speaking, I ship them for all the wrong reasons, and I want all the wrong things to happen, I want them both to break, pick up the pieces and forge some sort of understanding. I don't know if it makes any sense, but I see them as two independent characters and I want to see them both develop as widely as possible. I think the way they interact brings out many awesome things about themselves. So I want them to interact on as many different levels as possible.
God, that was chaotic.
Now, a question for you. What would be your ideal ending/direction for Stefan?
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Date: 2011-10-19 12:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-19 12:19 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-19 07:43 am (UTC)The other thing is Elena's behavior in her last scene. She is so totally broken and she DOESN'T WANT TO FORGET! This is something she feels she needs to remember, because it was real to her. THIS was Stefan. It's not how she reacted to blood-junkie-Stefan in s1. Now something happened to her, and disillusioned her.
So I want Elena to know that Stefan still loves her, and to know that it doesn't change a thing: he is a monster, he will hurt her; he might still want to shield her from external danger, but he is not willing to shield her from himself. I want Elena to think that this whole switch thing is just an excuse, I want her to think that there is no switch, and I want her to think that right away, without being told.
Oh, and one thing about compulsion. It's a fairly simple tool, isn't it? It's ment to help the vampires survive. So it's good for simple commands, like "don't move" or "open the door", and it's good for removing memories and emotions human mind wants to push away anyway (vampires do not exist for God's sake, so if you are attacked by one, your brain goes in denial; it's easy to compel the victims, because all of their psychological defences want them not to remember). But, as we saw when Damon compelled Jeremy not to grieve, it doesn't work that well with things that are a part of normal human experience (Jeremy was still grieveing, he just didn't know why). So Klaus could totally compel Stefan to kill or attack someone (it's a simple command), but he just wouldn't be able to compel him not to feel, not when Stefan's entire brain is struggling to feel! It isn't even remotely similar to taking away the fear after the attack. Compulsion is a feeding strategy, not a handy tool to create human puppets. Compulsion simply must have its limits.
Ok, and a question! How do you think Damon will react to this whole mess? How will he deal with living with Ripper!Stefan? What does he think about this whole compulsion and switch thing? How will he behave towards Elena?
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Date: 2011-10-19 09:16 am (UTC)YES! This little tidbit is the one shred of hope I have for the storyline--that maybe Stefan having his choice taken away from him might act as metaphor for Stefan's own issue with ceding control to other people… or something.
WORD x10000 to your Elena thoughts. I have hope for that, too. I'd be surprised if she didn't cling to SOME shred of denial, but she needs to accept at some point that... she loves bad men. I mean, really though.
But, as we saw when Damon compelled Jeremy not to grieve, it doesn't work that well with things that are a part of normal human experience (Jeremy was still grieveing, he just didn't know why). So Klaus could totally compel Stefan to kill or attack someone (it's a simple command), but he just wouldn't be able to compel him not to feel, not when Stefan's entire brain is struggling to feel!
OMG YES. ALL OF THIS. THERE IS HOPE YET.
ANSWER: Baha, Damon will handle crazy!roommate!Stefan with his usual easy grace. xD I sincerely doubt he'd buy into that compulsion/switch rubbish. He's always been able to see right through Stefan when he's deluding himself, and this time shouldn't be any different. I think he might be torn between his duty as a friend to Elena and his loyalty to Stefan, though, sort of like how Stefan was in S1.
As for his relationship with Elena... I'm not expecting Damon to want in on that. He only asks for the things he does (e.g. for her to ~remember~) because he's CERTAIN he's going to lose? The thought of getting what he wants is batshit terrifying. Plus, there'll be inevitable guilt/responsibility for Stefan. So, I wouldn't be surprised if Damon actually attempted to put some distance between himself and Elena. Actually, I'm pretty certain that's what's gonna happen. He'll be a loyal friend, blah blah blah, but I honestly don't think there's any worry of those two hooking up while Stefan is going through this ~phase. At least, not in a FOR REAL way. I WOULD HOPE.
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Date: 2011-10-19 09:12 pm (UTC)At this point, I don't really believe there can be any Damon/Elena arc that would not be initiated by Elena... It's just not possible, because if Elena doesn't actively decide that she wants to sleep with Damon, she simply will not be persuaded to do so. Damon, on the other hand, wouldn't be able to resist if she offered. He is a moron, right? He won't give up doing something like that just because it scares the shit out of him ;). So when it comes to Damon/Elena, I believe that agency is totally on Elena's side right now. Damon has already revealed himself completely and he has nothing to add at the moment.
Baha, Damon will handle crazy!roommate!Stefan with his usual easy grace. xD I sincerely doubt he'd buy into that compulsion/switch rubbish. He's always been able to see right through Stefan when he's deluding himself, and this time shouldn't be any different. I think he might be torn between his duty as a friend to Elena and his loyalty to Stefan, though, sort of like how Stefan was in S1.
YES PLEASE! I want THIS to happen! Writers, can you see us? Hello, smart people writing THINGS here!
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Date: 2011-10-19 09:44 pm (UTC)LAWWWWWWL. Accurate. But I can totally imagine him freaking afterwards. The morning after would/will be hilariously awkward.
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Date: 2011-10-19 09:49 pm (UTC)And now you made me want to read a fic about it, preferably NOW :(((((((. The mental image will stay with me for a long time.
Wow, you're online? Isn't it, like, disturbingly early in Australia right now?no subject
Date: 2011-10-19 09:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-19 10:00 pm (UTC)God, my geography teachers were struggling for years to teach me how do time zones work. They all failed miserably. And than the Love Fest came, and it took lj a week to finally teach me that it is earlier in the US and later in Australia.
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Date: 2011-10-19 03:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-10-19 07:50 am (UTC)If you could turn one non-vampire TVD character into a vampire, who would it be and why?
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Date: 2011-10-19 08:14 pm (UTC)But actually, I think I have the same answer as you - Jenna. They totally wasted that opportunity by killing her off so quickly. I'd like to get to actually SEE Jenna dealing with being a vampire.
Question: Imagine you are writing a TVD/BtVS crossover fic. What's it about? Which characters show up? Who gets along, who doesn't, who just want to make out?
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Date: 2011-10-19 08:33 pm (UTC)And, of course, I've written three pages and now I'm totally blocked.
Question: Speaking of BtVS. Could you name your favorite BtVS episode and explain why you chose this particular one?
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Date: 2011-10-23 06:34 pm (UTC)Oh, man. I was just saying to someone else how I HATE favorites questions, because I can never choose just one and end up with a top ten list or whatever. But I think for this one I probably have to go with OMWF, purely because I ♥ musicals and so the combo of BtVS + musical is greater than any other individual episode.
Now, for you: Favorite BtVS character?
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Date: 2011-10-23 06:47 pm (UTC)My favorite character is Spike, and I don't even have to hesitate. I love his storyline, I love his character development, I love his flashback, I love his language, I love his vices, and, above all, I can relate to him to a point in which it really freaks me out that a vampire serial killer is so much like me. Well...
Ok, let's keep torturing each other with favorites ;). How about a favorite BtVS ship?
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Date: 2011-10-24 03:27 pm (UTC)Favorite season of BtVS?
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Date: 2011-10-24 03:59 pm (UTC)make a building collapse when they have sexare amazing, because most of my favorite lines are from this season... Hell, I even loved the Trio. The entire season is just flawless. Have I mentioned dark!Willow? And that Xander saves the world with a yellow crayon? *TOO MANY EMOTIONS*Since I can't think of any more reasonable favorites: How do you feel about BtVS/TVD comparisons?
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Date: 2011-10-25 04:43 pm (UTC)Well, I certainly can see why people do it. Hell, my first reaction was to compare it (unfavorably) to Buffy.
The same basic structure is there (good vamp/bad vamp fighting over the same girl) - then again, you could say that about nearly every vampire show ever, lol. But I do think TVD is closer than, say, True Blood, partly because TVD has characters that are just as layered and complex and flawed as BtVS does. When you're dealing with similar themes and archetypes - the self-sacrificing heroine, the good vamp with a dark side, the bad vamp who's love's bitch - then it obviously invites comparisons.
But any comparison inevitably simplifies the subjects. No, Damon and Spike are not the same exact character. They have a lot of similarities, sure, but saying they're the same doesn't do either of them justice. It ignores what makes Damon Damon and what makes Spike Spike. And I think when people have those expectations (like, why isn't Damon's path to redemption as straightforward as Spike's?), they're setting themselves up for disappointment. Sooo... I get why
youBasically, I think it's a valid method of analysis, but also a pretty lazy one?
Okay, AU question for you: When Willow does the spell in "Chosen," one of the ladies from Mystic Falls is activated as a slayer! Which one would you want it to be and why? (Characters pre-vampiring are acceptable answers.)
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Date: 2011-10-25 07:35 pm (UTC)Lol, I was doing loads of Buffy comparisons when I started watching TVD ;). But I think the first and main difference is that Elena is not a heroic figure; she doesn't have a mission, she really is just a girl, and she doesn't have the weight of the world on her shoulders.
Question: If you could send one TVD character to England to be trained as a Watcher, who would it be?
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Date: 2011-10-27 02:19 pm (UTC)Which vampire mythology do you prefer, BtVS or TVD (or some other TV show/movie/book)?
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Date: 2011-10-29 09:13 pm (UTC)If we're talking solely about mythology, I guess I prefer TVD. In Buffy it's made pretty clear that vampires are evil, because they don't have souls; Angel and Spike are just exceptions. But in TVD a vampire is a human being magnified (and, well, with different food), and that just opens up so many possibilities! Vampires can be all shades of grey, and the thing that draws me to vampire shows is the HUMAN side of the monsters; I'm really not interested in vampires as just The Threat. So, while I love Buffy immensely (especially for the characters), I pick TVD mythology, because it goes further.
When and why did you start watching Buffy?
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Date: 2011-10-30 02:08 pm (UTC)The one thing I like about BtVS is the unreliable narrator of it. Like, we learn early on that a vampire is nothing like his human self (information courtesy of the Watcher's Council), and then we spend the next seven seasons proving that wrong.
Answer: I watched all seven seasons of Buffy and five seasons of Angel in the final semester of college. (Go ahead and marvel at my time management skills. I'll wait.)
My one roommate was a huge fan, and she got my other roommate into it, and they'd watch it in our suite, so I couldn't avoid it, and then they'd talk about it and I'd feel left out, so finally I broke down and was like, "Okay, I want to know what's going on!!!"
You? Same question!
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Date: 2011-10-30 02:57 pm (UTC)Now that we got all nostalgic - do you remember you initial reaction to Something Blue? How about The Body, Fool for Love, Hush, Smashed and Once More With Feeling? (These are the episodes I've re-interpreted the most when rewatching, and/or the ones that smashed my head with a hammer)
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Date: 2011-11-01 04:03 pm (UTC)Hahaha, yeah. I resisted watching BtVS for the longest time and felt all superior about it (while watching Dawson's Creek instead, LMAO), only to be proved horribly wrong.
Hmmm, I don't remember many of my initial reactions to individual episodes. I blew through episodes so quickly that I didn't have much time to reflect on them, except to briefly wonder what happens next and then immediately satisfy the craving, haha. Most of my opinions didn't form until I started dissecting them in fandom. :) I do recall that I instantly loved OMWF, due to the whole musical thing. I was also spoiled that Spike and Buffy got together, so when it finally happened, I was super-excited, but not shocked. I started seriously shipping them around "Intervention," but I was pretty much a sucker for any Spike/Buffy interaction way before that, so SB and FFL were especially delightful.
I remember thinking the Gentlemen were the creepiest demons the show had, one of the few that were legitimately scary. Weirdly, I don't remember having much reaction to "The Body" at all, even though I sob like a baby at Anya's speech EVERY TIME.
What episode first inspired you to write fanfic?
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Date: 2011-11-01 04:27 pm (UTC)Oh, and I also thought Something Blue was a great joke, because, obviously, Spike/Buffy could NEVER happen, right? Two seasons later...
My first Buffyverse fic was about Wesley and Spike (I'm a bit obsessed with their interactions: I think they both come from similar starting points, and, even though each of them chose a different path, they have an understanding), inspired by AtS 5x17 roof scene. Wesley was just so broken, how could I resist?
And how about you?
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Date: 2011-11-01 06:45 pm (UTC)Unfortunately, I couldn't get my hands on season 6 for four more days. I suppose I could've bought the DVDs myself, but for some reason that didn't occur to me at the time? So to quell my urges, I started, like, three different fanfics, LOL.
One was a S6 speculation, having been spoiled that Buffy would be resurrected. (This later became part of the first fic in my S6 AU, although it went through several permutations once I watched the real S6.) It was Spuffy, of course, and I correctly predicted that Spike would be the one to help Buffy adjust to living again. I did NOT, however, predict how dark and depressed it would be, haha.
The second was a post-"Becoming" fic, which turned into Being Somebody Else, and third was a post-"Intervention" fic, which became Evil Me, both of which were also Spuffy. I didn't post ANY fic until almost a year later, though. I had to work up the courage first, which involved browbeating a friend from another fandom into betaing my stuff, since I didn't know anyone in BtVS fandom yet. :)
Gah, I think I am out of questions! It's been fun! :)
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Date: 2011-11-01 07:15 pm (UTC)I didn't post ANY fic until almost a year later, though. I had to work up the courage first, which involved browbeating a friend from another fandom into betaing my stuff, since I didn't know anyone in BtVS fandom yet. :)
Whoa! I started posting right away; I have many friends who had watched Buffy before I did, and we all have a ficathon every six months. So I had a good excuse to get all the THOUGHTS out of my system and not worry about the fics not being polished enough. When you're writing a fic every day for seven days, you're hardly expected to write something perfect ;).
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Date: 2011-11-03 01:51 pm (UTC)Hahaha, I know! I love doing these kinds of question memes.
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Date: 2011-10-19 08:46 am (UTC)Czy trójkąt Damon/Elena/Stefan w którym wszyscy troje mają równoprawną pozycje i są z tego układu zadowoleni jest według Ciebie możliwy? Dlaczego?
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Date: 2011-10-19 08:56 pm (UTC)Co do trójkąta - zależy, co masz na myśli. Czy jest możliwy w kanonie? Nie, ponieważ TVD jest w ramówce jako serial dla nastolatek i nie będzie mógł sobie pozwolić na pokazanie pewnych rzeczy wprost (trójkąta Damon/Katherine/Stefan też nie pokazali). Czy jest możliwy w sensownie napisanym fiku? Tak. Relacje między trójką głównych bohaterów są tak splątane i pełne wzajemnych zależności, że aż się proszą o trójkąt. Jest możliwy psychologicznie i świetnie się nadaje jako metafora do opisywania bardzo różnych rzeczy. Nie potrzebuję lepszych powodów ;).
Pytanie dla Ciebie: jak już jesteśmy przy trójkątach, porozmawiajmy o Damon/Katherine/Stefan. Jak myślisz, jak to działało? Kto o kim ile wiedział? Z czym my w ogóle mamy do czynienia, z trójkątem czy po prostu z Katherine sypiającą równolegle z obydwoma braćmi? Kanon ma pewne sprzeczności, co zostawia nam dość szerokie pole do interpretacji :).
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Date: 2011-10-20 08:49 am (UTC)Też tak uważam, wiadomo, że kanon tego nie puści, ale biorąc pod uwagę złożoność tych postaci i ich skomplikowane relacje... :)
Cóż, ja uważam, że Katherine nie jest zdolna do miłości już teraz. Zostało jej to odebrane wraz z jej dzieckiem, ze śmiercią jej rodziny. Kiedy poznała braci Salvatore była już bardzo długo wampirem, wampirem, który wyłączył wiele rzeczy, dla niej liczyła się dobra zabawa, krew, przyjemność. Myślę, że sprawiało jej to satysfakcję, że potrafiła uwieść obu braci z łatwością - a obaj byli uroczy i atrakcyjni. Bawiła się nimi, Myślę, że oboje byli w nią tak zapatrzeni, że nie zdawali sobie sprawy, że jest ten drugi. Katherine sama powiedziała w którymś momencie, że czuje się samotna, że chce mieć kogoś, kto będzie się z nią bawił przez całą wieczność, kto będzie ją adorował, ją wielbił. A jeden brat był dla niej za małym łupem - chciała obydwu, więc zamieniła ich w wampiry, uważając, że będą razem we trójkę się świetnie bawić. Nie doceniła tylko faktu, że oni obaj potrafią kochać, że "zabawa" to dla nich zbyt mało. Później zdali sobie zresztą sprawę, że byli marionetkami w jej rękach. Nie wierzę też to słowa Karherine, że to był zawsze Stefan. Ona nie kochała Stefana, nie kochała też Damona, powiedziała tak, bo uważała, że to będzie świetna zabawa patrzeć na ból Damona. Kath jest egoistką, zależy jej tylko na sobie. Wszystko co robiła sprowadzało się do tego, nawet jak pomagała braciom i Elenie. Zawsze chodziło o nią.