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Comment to this post, and I will list five things I associate with you. They might make sense or they might be totally random. Then post that list, with your commentary, to your LJ (or just add a reply back to me). Other people (including me) can get lists from you, and the meme merrily perpetuates itself.
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01. non-functional Damon/Elena
I AM GOING TO BE BRIEF ABOUT IT. Mostly because I'm in the middle of writing a D/E meta. Besides, a brief look at my journal should be enough for you to tell that lately I've became this crazy shipper person.
This ship is my current obsession, mostly because it just begs for future!fics in which both Damon and Elena are gloriously fucked up. So I love Damon/Elena as a ship that is based on very casual, mundane disappointments, on disillusionment and on a weird yet real friendship. I indulge in Damon's inclinations towards drama and in Elena's worst tendencies. Those two can be truly romantic, and they can do it in the most creepy way.
02. Wesley Wyndam-Pryce!
I need Wesley like I need oxygen ;). What I love about him the most is the LOGIC with which he was written: he is this character who seems to have changed every aspect of himself, but in fact he didn't. Even the dark, broken Wesley who helps Illyria still has some traces of the old, silly, know-it-all Wesley. He can make the hardest choices without blinking, and it doesn't matter if it is handing Faith to the Council, stealing Connor or destroying Vail's memory spell. Wesley always makes the hard choice. He doesn't hesitate, he doesn't wait for someone to decide for him, he just does it, and then he bears the consequences.
Wesley is tragic, but he is also a bit pathetic, he would make a fool of himself or help Illyria just because she looks like Fred. He speaks dozens of languages, and yet he still can't express himself. He had his throat cut, and his friends abandoned him, and then he had this memory taken away from him. He fell in love with Fred, because she was this sweet, innocent person he would've loved before he was broken, than he discovered some dark things about her and he fell in love with who she really was, then it was taken away form him, and Wesley fell in love with the Ideal Fred again. He lost her before he rediscovered the truth, and now (I live in the AU world in which Wesley is alive, and I have to think very hard to remember that it is actuallyle_mru's fic, not canon) he is left with the blue King-God who doesn't know a thing about humans. And Wesley makes himself a tool, he uses his most private experiences in order to teach Illyria about the world.
He was Faith's worst Watcher. He was her best Watcher. He will never forgive her, but it's ok, because she should never forgive him either. Faith was the one who started making Wesley who he is right now. Lilah really knew him, and it was the worst thing about her. Wesley has wretched luck when it comes to women. Wesley has the best luck when it comes to women. Wesley is the smartest guy I've ever seen. Wesley doesn't know how the fuck could he function now.
Besides... All the books, swords, smart speeches, variety of shirts, ultimate pain - WESLEY, HOW SO HOT??? I seem to recall a post in which we were already considering this problem.
03. Jon/Robb
YOU KNOW NOTHING, JON SNOW! Ok, that's painfully off-topic, but I had to ;).
I actually don't ship it very hard. But I blamemlekopijca for the fact that I ship it at all (well, most of my slash pairings started from the fact that she was nagging me...). Jon wanted to run away from the Wall just to be with his brother. Robb stood up to his mother to make his brother his heir. Jon should be the king, and Robb should be his Warden of the North. Martin did it wrong, and someone should fix this mistake RIGH NOW!
04. fic-writing
I'm a compulsive fic writer. I've been doing it for over six years now (how did it happen? o_O), and it grew to be a form of self-expression for me. It's more than just fun, I actually get all "artistic" about writing, feelings exposed and so on. Well, ok, not always. Sometimes. And sometimes it's just fun. But I can't imagine myself not writing. I can have breaks, sometimes long breaks, but I come back eventually. I get enthusiastic about writing. I get emotional about writing. I get geeky about writing. I want to try new things and be challenged. I talk about writing. As I've said - compulsive writer :).
05. teaching
Yes, I do it ;). I've been giving private lessons for over five years now. I mostly teach English, occasionally History (that's because far more people want to learn English). I mostly teach young children, like, 10-12 years old, but my History students all were in their final year of high school :). I have many funny/scary stories starting with "Yesterday my student told me...", but I'm not telling any of them in an unlocked post ;).
Comment to this post, and I will list five things I associate with you. They might make sense or they might be totally random. Then post that list, with your commentary, to your LJ (or just add a reply back to me). Other people (including me) can get lists from you, and the meme merrily perpetuates itself.
So,
ever_neutral gave me:01. non-functional Damon/Elena
I AM GOING TO BE BRIEF ABOUT IT. Mostly because I'm in the middle of writing a D/E meta. Besides, a brief look at my journal should be enough for you to tell that lately I've became this crazy shipper person.
This ship is my current obsession, mostly because it just begs for future!fics in which both Damon and Elena are gloriously fucked up. So I love Damon/Elena as a ship that is based on very casual, mundane disappointments, on disillusionment and on a weird yet real friendship. I indulge in Damon's inclinations towards drama and in Elena's worst tendencies. Those two can be truly romantic, and they can do it in the most creepy way.
02. Wesley Wyndam-Pryce!
I need Wesley like I need oxygen ;). What I love about him the most is the LOGIC with which he was written: he is this character who seems to have changed every aspect of himself, but in fact he didn't. Even the dark, broken Wesley who helps Illyria still has some traces of the old, silly, know-it-all Wesley. He can make the hardest choices without blinking, and it doesn't matter if it is handing Faith to the Council, stealing Connor or destroying Vail's memory spell. Wesley always makes the hard choice. He doesn't hesitate, he doesn't wait for someone to decide for him, he just does it, and then he bears the consequences.
Wesley is tragic, but he is also a bit pathetic, he would make a fool of himself or help Illyria just because she looks like Fred. He speaks dozens of languages, and yet he still can't express himself. He had his throat cut, and his friends abandoned him, and then he had this memory taken away from him. He fell in love with Fred, because she was this sweet, innocent person he would've loved before he was broken, than he discovered some dark things about her and he fell in love with who she really was, then it was taken away form him, and Wesley fell in love with the Ideal Fred again. He lost her before he rediscovered the truth, and now (I live in the AU world in which Wesley is alive, and I have to think very hard to remember that it is actually
le_mru's fic, not canon) he is left with the blue King-God who doesn't know a thing about humans. And Wesley makes himself a tool, he uses his most private experiences in order to teach Illyria about the world.He was Faith's worst Watcher. He was her best Watcher. He will never forgive her, but it's ok, because she should never forgive him either. Faith was the one who started making Wesley who he is right now. Lilah really knew him, and it was the worst thing about her. Wesley has wretched luck when it comes to women. Wesley has the best luck when it comes to women. Wesley is the smartest guy I've ever seen. Wesley doesn't know how the fuck could he function now.
Besides... All the books, swords, smart speeches, variety of shirts, ultimate pain - WESLEY, HOW SO HOT??? I seem to recall a post in which we were already considering this problem.
03. Jon/Robb
YOU KNOW NOTHING, JON SNOW! Ok, that's painfully off-topic, but I had to ;).
I actually don't ship it very hard. But I blame
mlekopijca for the fact that I ship it at all (well, most of my slash pairings started from the fact that she was nagging me...). Jon wanted to run away from the Wall just to be with his brother. Robb stood up to his mother to make his brother his heir. Jon should be the king, and Robb should be his Warden of the North. Martin did it wrong, and someone should fix this mistake RIGH NOW!04. fic-writing
I'm a compulsive fic writer. I've been doing it for over six years now (how did it happen? o_O), and it grew to be a form of self-expression for me. It's more than just fun, I actually get all "artistic" about writing, feelings exposed and so on. Well, ok, not always. Sometimes. And sometimes it's just fun. But I can't imagine myself not writing. I can have breaks, sometimes long breaks, but I come back eventually. I get enthusiastic about writing. I get emotional about writing. I get geeky about writing. I want to try new things and be challenged. I talk about writing. As I've said - compulsive writer :).
05. teaching
Yes, I do it ;). I've been giving private lessons for over five years now. I mostly teach English, occasionally History (that's because far more people want to learn English). I mostly teach young children, like, 10-12 years old, but my History students all were in their final year of high school :). I have many funny/scary stories starting with "Yesterday my student told me...", but I'm not telling any of them in an unlocked post ;).
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Date: 2011-12-01 11:52 am (UTC)I APPROVE OF THIS PLAN. And take all the time you need with your Buffy Rage. MINE IS HERE TO STAY LOL.
Part of why I'm eager for D/E to finally get together (other than the ridiculous sex they're obviously going to have) is that I'm so fascinated by what Damon will do when he IS chosen by one of the girls he's deemed 'unobtainable.'
Uh huh. Yeah. Though, I really doubt that Elena will ever ~choose~ Damon. She'll probably fall in in love with him proper, but there will be plausible deniability the entire way through. People will argue over the legitimacy of their feelings for years to come. THIS IS NOT MY FIRST RODEO, OKAY.
Also, Damon's habit of destroying his own chances at happiness is exactly the reason I kind of DON'T want Elena to ~commit~ to him? I think they should be a trainwreck, don't get me wrong, but not the kind of trainwreck that just gives more fodder for the good!Stefan/bad!Damon people (lol). One of the things I appreciate about the D/E deconstruction is that Damon's worst acts towards Elena have been done before she's totally returned his feelings, ergo she is not falling blindly. (It's the anti-Elena/Stefan, obviously.) ERGO, Damon surely can't do anything worse than the Jeremy neck-snapping or Elena force-feeding after this point. If there's gonna be dysfunction (which there surely will), it's gonna be from both sides. I am counting on Elena becoming more and more selfish re: Damon's love for her, and more manipulative. IT WILL BE GLORIOUS. (oh my god why do i ship this way)
But I remain convinced that they would probably bitch at each other up until either Angel or Stefan showed up, and then suddenly they'd be such solidarity sisters. They'd just look at each other and go, "Bro, I know, right? Bro."
Ahhhh, you make a compelling argument.
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Date: 2011-12-01 11:58 am (UTC)Come on, it would all go like:
"This is my brother. He is a ~good vampire."
"Tell me about it. Here comes Captain Forehead. He is NOT my brother. Not EVER."
"Captain Forehead?"
"Extensive forehead brooding."
"Tell me about it..."
Also: I TOTALLY APPROVE OF YOUR WAY OF D/E SHIPPING!
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Date: 2011-12-01 06:11 pm (UTC)And trust me, I am in NO hurry to repeat the Logan/Veronica disaster (e.g. he screws up all the time so she can flounce off in righteous indignation and declare that he never was good enough for her in the first place - another show I have TONS OF PENT UP RAGE FOR.). I want Elena and Damon to be equally complicit in their dysfunction. I'm just waiting for Elena to finally snap, and I would LOVE to see her admit her selfishness about Damon. It's already there - she expects so much of him, and she clearly manipulates him, which they're both well aware of. The more Katherine Elena gets, the more awesome everything will be. Basically, I want all the characters to have identity crises, because I'm sadistic like that.
One of the things I appreciate about the D/E deconstruction is that Damon's worst acts towards Elena have been done before she's totally returned his feelings, ergo she is not falling blindly.
In a weird way, this is what I find most functional about them? Like, people rant about how Elena could possible love Damon after what he's done to her, but seriously, if she could love him after that (which she clearly kind of already does), their relationship actually sort of might work? He actually can't do anything worse to her, like, really. And if they can get through that, they can get through anything. It's why I'm D/E instead of S/E. She's not blind to his darkness - for a while, that's ALL she saw. If she still likes him after that, well, these kids can make it work (in a messed up, not at all logical way).
/shipping rant (YOU KNOW THIS IS A HOT TOPIC FOR ME.)
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Date: 2011-12-01 06:21 pm (UTC)I think Damon would totally freak out if Elena suddenly decided she wanted him. That's why he's behaving like a freaking twelve-year-old; his mindset is based on an assumption that he can never have her, so he can as well be a troll, at least he'd have some fun.
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Date: 2011-12-01 07:14 pm (UTC)I am seriously into Damon having a total freak out once Elena finally admits she wants him. I can see him having a panic attack and running away, and Elena just standing there with this WTF face going "seriously? After all this time...SERIOUSLY?" It'll be awesome.
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Date: 2011-12-01 07:25 pm (UTC)But I don't think he would run away. He would have a panic attack from hell, but he would stay and let everything happen, because he is physically incapable of quitting. He would stay even if he was sure that it would lead to a complete disaster. Our boy is pathetic like that.
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Date: 2011-12-01 09:00 pm (UTC)WRITE THE FIC. I have an insane fear of writing D/E (too close to my heart, I guess, and I live in fear of not being able to articulate my version of their feelings), but I live in hope that someday my ridiculous scenario will happen. Can't you just see Nina's adorable face looking SO bewildered? My bbs. <333
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Date: 2011-12-02 07:45 am (UTC)One thing that makes me laugh in fandom is how everybody assumes that Damon will be all over Elena now that Stefan's gone. No. Damon is quite happy to flirt outrageously with Elena, and ~show her the way to a vampire's heart, only because there is no real chance of him getting what he wants. As brave as Damon is, he is also a coward. I mean. He's only willing to tell Elena that he loves her when a) he can make her forget afterwards, or b) HE CAN DIE AFTERWARDS LOL. The fact that Elena does not love him back means that he is safe.
Oh, and ITA with your thoughts re: Elena's selfishness and the lack of idealism in D/E. It's why I ship them, too. It's the trial by fire. I do prefer that construction generally. I feel like S/E (in S1-2) have such a normative model of a relationship, which is fine, but it falls apart outside that framework. We don't know what they are independent of that normative structure. (Or, we haven't found out yet.) D/E is interesting to me in that--from what I can tell--it seems to be the opposite. I truly think that trying to carry out a conventional relationship (complete with labelling and defining and whatnot) would kill them both, lol. Sort of like Barney and Robin. (Not that they are the same.)
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Date: 2011-12-02 07:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-02 08:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-02 08:55 am (UTC)We shall have popcorn.
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Date: 2011-12-02 09:40 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-02 09:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-02 10:19 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-02 10:22 am (UTC)You and me both.
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Date: 2011-12-02 09:50 am (UTC)One thing that makes me laugh in fandom is how everybody assumes that Damon will be all over Elena now that Stefan's gone.
Ugh, that makes me CRAZY. What were these people expecting? The obnoxious blind D/E shippers were all excited that Damon could finally move in, but that's sort of a total bro-code violation (thank you, Barney Stintson), and it's trite and predictable and just boring. I love the fact that the impediments to D/E have nothing to do with Stefan, at least not insofar as he's Elena's boyfriend. That was never Damon's problem. Their issues are all their own, and I am so with you that Damon could not handle the thought that Elena might actually go for him - that he's actually a coward in this matter. Also, LOL at point B. Imminent death is such a handy excuse (until the death stops being imminent, and then it's just awkward).
I'm actually really curious about Barney and Robin! Because you're right, they are similarly allergic to normal relationships, but how is the show going to reconcile their massive complexes without the convenient excuse of 'hey vampires! moral codes don't apply quite the same way huzzah!' *pondering*
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Date: 2011-12-02 10:05 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-02 10:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-12-02 10:44 am (UTC)And hey, those aren't weird turn-ons. It's called a desperate longing for a plot ;). I've actually developed a hankering for fics in which sex is not that great. And for fics in which Elena is emotionally abusive. And for fics in which Damon/Elena relationship is shown in the context of power play. #bad fic poisoning
light format is the way to go, bro
Date: 2011-12-02 12:53 pm (UTC)PREACH. Man, it upsets me when other sections of fandom also start conflating fanon!Damon with canon!Damon too? Like, seeing the idealised view of his character that some fans have, and then attributing that idealised image to show itself. Which, NO. Show has always been upfront about what a nasty piece of work Damon is. Just because some people have screwed up interpretations of the text doesn't mean that the text itself is screwing it up. I mean. Sometimes it does. But with Damon, mostly not. He is a thorough, three-dimensional, carefully drawn/constructed work of art. RESPECT~
Re: light format is the way to go, bro
Date: 2011-12-02 01:11 pm (UTC)Re: light format is the way to go, bro
Date: 2011-12-03 01:27 am (UTC)Re: light format is the way to go, bro
Date: 2011-12-03 04:04 am (UTC)Re: light format is the way to go, bro
Date: 2011-12-03 04:01 am (UTC)Re: light format is the way to go, bro
Date: 2011-12-03 12:23 pm (UTC)You can be the good guy but not be a good guy.
You are right, this is exactly the kind of storytelling I want - I want individuals, not types, because types are predictable. And Damon's pettiness is just amazing. Because it's not because he is an evil bloodsucking murderer. It's because he is Damon, and that's how he works. I bet he was just as petty when he was human.
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